The question at hand is this: “A person is armed with a firearm and appears to be indiscriminately shooting innocent people. You are armed, and in a position to engage the shooter. Do you?”
I want to make perfectly clear that I'm not talking about interfering with property crimes by introducing deadly force. I'm not talking about engaging anyone who is not an obvious threat. I'm talking about an active shooter situation in which someone is engaged in pulling the trigger on innocents in the present (not a minute ago).
I hear and read a lot of people espouse the opinion that carrying a gun is only for self-defense and that it’s a mistake to interfere in the business of others, even if that business is being an innocent person getting shot by a psychopath. After the somewhat recent killing at IHOP on 9/6/11 in Carson City, Nevada in which a bystander was armed and decided not to engage with his handgun, there was a lot of debate. This got me thinking about my own views. None of the following is meant to second guess what any particular person did.
I hear and read a lot of people espouse the opinion that carrying a gun is only for self-defense and that it’s a mistake to interfere in the business of others, even if that business is being an innocent person getting shot by a psychopath. After the somewhat recent killing at IHOP on 9/6/11 in Carson City, Nevada in which a bystander was armed and decided not to engage with his handgun, there was a lot of debate. This got me thinking about my own views. None of the following is meant to second guess what any particular person did.
I read a few differing opinions on this subject. The most compelling I read in favor of engaging were by Gabe Suarez. I generally agree with what he has said on the subject. I have had trouble understanding the opposing opinions. I was actually quite angry to hear Tom Gresham say on Gun Talk Radio that other people’s welfare is really none of your business when your carrying, just take care of yourself.
The first thing that comes to mind is that it seems to me an incredibly selfish thing to not even consider engaging. What I hear over and over, basically being “mind your own business and look out for yourself” seems to encapsulate a lot of what is wrong with our society at this point in time. If you look at some of the other things I’ve written this month, it’s obvious that my conception of a “rifleman”, which again is a term I use to mean in a very general sense of a protector, is someone who fulfills the duty of what any able bodied male was expected to do when this country was founded. In our nation’s early days there was no police to call or any kind of government expert to take over the scene. Apathy, and the failure to take responsibility for what goes on in our communities, is allowing those who would take away our rights and traditions the opportunity to do just that.
The second thing that comes to mind is that saying “only the police have the responsibility to neutralize an active shooter” and standing up for 2nd Amendment rights are incompatible with each other. Rights come with responsibilities, in some cases rights exist because of responsibilities. In the case of the 2nd Amendment, the responsibility is explicitly mentioned, before the right is enumerated. I’ve touched on that more here.
In coming up with an article, I actually had to do some thinking and consideration, which has moderated my stance on the subject of engaging an active shooter a bit. I think that there are certain questions that need to be considered beforehand, before you even consider becoming part of a hellish event like an active shooter situation. There are certainly valid reasons not to engage. I don’t think that “it was not my fight” is one of them.
Consider why you carry a gun in the first place, and whether or not you can actually use it. Is a gun a magic talisman to ward off evil? No. You better know within yourself what your capabilities are, both in terms of skill and your emotional capacity to use it.
You should consider often different scenarios you may find yourself in and consider how you might address them. You should also consider whether you are equipped to address them. These are easy situations to figure out after the fact, but hard to figure out when your heart rate is at 180 bpm, people are screaming and running, and you might die. The sight of your gun will probably freak people out, causing the people running away from the gunshots to panic. If you carry a gun you should be thinking of things like this ahead of time, so when you are actually faced with them you can act instantly. If you're training does not enable you to engage in the scenarios you can imagine, consider whether you need to get that training ASAP.
Consider how you will cope with killing a human being. I understand, you shoot to stop, but understand that there is a possibility, if not a probability of death. If you aren’t up to meeting the challenges, consider not carrying. So the first question you need to ask yourself is, “Am I up to the task?” Hopefully you thought about this before you decided to carry.
A crucial question to ask when making a decision whether or not to engage is where you are in relation to the threat. It would seem that the closer you are, the stronger the case to engage. If you are directly threatened, we don’t need to ask the question. If someone is directly threatened within your sight, I hope you don’t need to ask the question. If it’s in another room, be careful. Make a decision, use your senses and common sense, and act prudently one way or the other.
Do you have your own family to protect? This is a situation in which it would be understandable that you take whatever measure necessary to ensure their safety before considering engaging. Solve problem #1 before considering problem #2.
Something else to consider is whether the situation outweighs your ability to address it. Can you accomplish this without help? If not, is help available? The police will probably not want your help if they don’t know you. Getting to know them beforehand via ride-alongs or citizen academy programs my help you in this regard, or they may not.
If the police don’t know you, and you have a gun visible, you stand a good chance of being shot. That’s definitely something to think about. If the police are arriving, the situation has likely been going on for a few minutes. If that’s the case, your window of opportunity for engaging may have closed. You’ll have to make an assessment of whether that’s the case at the time. If you are ordered by the police to drop your gun, you better listen and comply quickly. Don’t delay your compliance to offer an explanation. That’s for after.
Speaking of windows of opportunity, once the shots stop, it is no longer an “active” shooter situation. The shooter may still be alive, and may still constitute a threat, but the dynamic has shifted. It may now be a hostage or barricaded gunman situation, which unless you are right there and know exactly what’s going on, probably is outside of the realm of what an armed citizen acting alone could hope to solve.
Consider whether your participation in the event will make it more dangerous. If you have to run against a stampede of people running away from the gunfire, will the sight of your gun cause a traffic jam of people? Is the shooter within a crowd? Are there over-penetration issues?
These are all things to consider. There may be more. You need to think about them ahead of time. Make sure that if you carry a gun, that you and your equipment are in a state of readiness and good repair.
I'm not trying to give you an answer as to what you should do. I just hope you make a good decision when the time comes. The question you’ll have to answer at the time is “Are people being killed right now? Is there something I can, and should, do about it?”
One of the problems with stepping in on a shooter not attacking you or your family is the number of things that could, or even probably would go wrong. First, no matter how well you're trained, the other shooter could shoot you, even if its only pure bad luck; you could be dead or seriously injured trying to help; second, if one fires at another shooter there is a good chance that you'll miss the target and the bullet goes beyond and hits another bystander, or the bullet hits your target, passes through and hits someone else; in either case, you'll probably be held responsible even though you have the best intentions; this situation could result in enormous legal or at least financial responsibilities; third, there is the risk that arriving police officers or even other armed civilians will mistake you for an attacker with unfortunate results; fourth, there is even the chance that you are misreading the entire situation and those you think are the attackers (villains) are actually the good guys - for instance police dealing with an arrest gone bad, and the ones you're trying to save are actually the bad guys; if that were to happen, you would really be in infinite trouble. There are probably other, major risks I haven't mentioned. It is foolish to assume these risks are not significant and to ignore them in your desire to help others. Using a firearm to save yourself or your family can easily outweigh these risks. Using a firearm to help someone you don't even know in a situation you may not really understand could be fatal. I've been through 4 excellent shooting classes, and I've thought a great deal about this issue, and there is no way I would involve myself in a shooting situation that did not threated me, my family, or some very good friends.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting. I appreciate the time you took and the thought you put into your response. I apologize for the time it took me to acknowledge you. I have been on the road.
DeleteI want to clarify something without involving any complexity of the possible scenarios that could occur, just to see where you're coming from. Could you conceive of any situation, no matter how simple or clear cut, in which you would use deadly force to assist a third party who was not personally known to you?
Thank you for reading.
--RS
Theoretically I could imagine a situation I would risk all to help. In a perfect case, from the risk point of view, would be 1) a thoroughly and surely known situation and set of players, 2) some protection from the legal system where even if doing the right thing goes wrong I would not be responsible; something like the Good Samaritan law for medical personnel providing emergency help, and 3) reasonable safety when engaging the attacker; something like shooting from cover. From a practical viewpoint, that set of conditions would never happen; or, by the time one figures out that the conditions are favorable, it would be too late.
ReplyDeleteAnd while revisiting this comment, I thought of another concern. If there is an attacker and one tries to engage him, he could easily have an accomplice who hasn't made his presence known - like someone behind you.
Again an almost endless set of things that could and will go wrong just by trying to help. I don't thing those things can all be managed by any normal person. Of course, one could have a situation in which none of them happens. But if one does happen, its pretty much an overwhelmingly bad result.
Finally, I don't think we really know what we would do in such a situation. Maybe if a situation developed, and continued long enough to be understood, and seemed like I could really make a difference, and ..... So maybe I would, but rationally I shouldn't.
I agree with you in that there are a lot of things to consider before taking action. I mentioned a lot of your points in the body of my original article. It seems like you are ahead of the game for even having considered those things. Please take what follows as my attempt to persuade rather than to rant at you.
DeleteConsider that police officers who we expect to rush in don't have any of the conditions you outlined, except maybe qualified immunity from criminal prosecution. While I don't put cops up on a pedestal, neither do I see them as below me. It doesn't seem right to expect something of another that I would not offer of myself.
I see the 2nd Amendment as a responsibility as well as a right. So did our founders. I wrote about it in a bit more depth in an article called "Why the Rifle?".
If you have heard the story of April 19, 1775, you know that when the British Regulars came into Lexington and Concord to basically confiscate weapons and war materiel, 14,000 regular people from small neighboring towns and rural areas picked up arms to help out, risking quite literally everything in the process. They didn't place the risk of getting hanged or having their homes burnt down over doing the right thing.
Today, we hedge our bets. Our sense of responsibility to community has atrophied. I see it as a set of inconsistent beliefs that we expect to maintain our rights to arms while expecting the state to solely provide for the community welfare.
My point in this article was not that you should rush in. As I said before, I agree that all the points you mentioned are worthy of consideration, and may preclude action. I just think if you're arming yourself, there is a responsibility to consider, first to protect those who you have an explicit duty to protect (family), then to community.
Our society is dying of apathy. I don't think we can continue to to enjoy it while thinking only of ourselves.
Again, thanks for commenting and for reading.
Whatever you do, if you survive, you have to live with your conscience afterwards...."those innocent people died because I did nothing, when I could have done something"....or, "someone died because I screwed up". Not a very pleasant choice, although there is probably an equal chance of a happy ending, if you are up to the challenge.
ReplyDeletePete,
DeleteAgreed, as usual.
--RS
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ReplyDeleteThis is quit interesting. What I am about write will rub many people the wrong way. If I am involved in an active shooter situation, I will only engage if the shooter points the gun at me. Here is why. A long time ago, if an active shooter were stopped by an armed citizen the police would take statements from those involved and the good citizen would go home that night. As evidence I point to the bell tower shooting in Austin Texas. Civilians ran home, came back with deer rifles and assisted the police. In 21st century America they would have been charged with a crime.
ReplyDeleteIf you use your firearm in self defense in today's America there will amost certianly be a trial. Even if you are aquitted by a jury of 12 you can still face a wrongful death suite in a civil action brought by a surviving famlily member of the attacker. You accept these risks in todays America if you choose to carry a firearm. I will not take these risks on behalf of someone who CHOOSES not to take the same risks for them selves and at least attempt to be responsible for their own safety. Expecting a random legal gun owner to safe the day is just like expecting the police to be everywhere all the time, its unreasonable. Not being responsible for your own safety should come with a high price.